Iowa Supreme Court Beats Down Gay Marriage Ban - *shock*

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First of all, I think the issue of children and marriage should be viewed as separate issues for a couple of reasons.

One is the fact that the purpose of marriage is long longer simply to provide a legal entity to raise children in; people marry now for love and because they want to share their lives as a legally and socially recognized unit. Though most people do have children, it's not usually for getting married in the first place. It's not as if couples who love one another but who don't want to have children decide to simply remain friends because of that fact.

People who have no intention of having children, along with infertile people and people past reproductive age get married all the time, and no one is clamoring to remove their rights to do so -- as long as they are heterosexual, of course.

Secondly, the law no longer distinguishes between children born to married parents and those born to unmarried parents. "Illegitimacy" has not been a legal status for non-marital children since the late 60s. The law now focuses on how children relate to their parents, rather than in how their parents relate to each other.

Hence, this makes opposition to same sex marriage for the "but what about the children!" reason moot and invalid.

And though the Iowa ruling seems to be an indication that support for same sex marriage has gained, or is about to gain, critical mass, I think the Supreme Court ought to decide the issue for once and for all as it did for interracial marriage in 1967 in the Loving vs. Virginia case.
That's "is NO longer", not "long, longer"! Damn, I'm the typo king!
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Eventually the Supreme Court will end this nightmare of legal discrimination, however, the Court will need to change first. I don't believe the current court would make such a bold and liberal ruling.
hey Libertine - (we've had guests, so sorry for not replying sooner)

you make an excellent point - one which personally illustrates my own position - my husband and i have been married for just over 12 years - we got married in grad school - we were not having children right away - we basically got married, because my mother (Catholic) stopped speaking to me after we moved in together (which was actually not that bad of a thing for a few months - lol! - but more than that became stressful) - so, basically we just went - fine, we'll get married - nothing's really going to change between us and we'll get my family off my back - and nothing did really change between us - including the fact that neither of us wanted children - we still don't want children - now, i have run into other Catholics who said that the purpose of getting married to have children - and if you don't do that, than you have no business being married - whatever - so, as a subject of one of the points you raised, i agree with you that the subject of marriage and children should be treated separately

also - yes, i would like it to be up to the Supreme Court, too - i would like it to be decided federally - but i don't know that this Supreme Court can bring itself to keep it's personal feelings out of the decision, take Scalia for instance...



hey:) - i wish the Supreme Court were ready to make such a decision, but they are not - perhaps for right now, going state by state is the only way to get the ball rolling

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