Proposed Constitutional Amendment to Ban Christianity & Judaism & Islam & Buddhism & Hinduism...

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Wow. Thank you for this. I knew it was coming, but still.....
hey Patricia

i pressed the button on your name in the mass thing before i could stop myself - i know you're ridiculously busy - but, thanks for reading:)

yeah - this would fall under the category of "Things I Would be Afraid Of Happening" - i didn't do too much more investigating - its some idiotic thing somebody put on one of those petition websites, i think - i think it has like 30-something signatures - so, that's at least laughable - reading it made me nauseous enough, but i'll probably look more into it out of further curiosity - and because i seem to like torturing myself with knowing that there are some really despicable, small-minded people in this world - and sometimes, what they're doing in "my name" deserves to be put in a spotlight, however small
I know how you feel...

good post! *thumbs up*

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You know, we have all sorts of days to promote certain worthy causes. I wonder if we'll ever have a world "Tolerance" day.
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Thanks paikea,

Some of these thoughtless folk seem to think us non-believers are a threat to their invisible friend but really it's their intolerance of others that puts the most pressure on their religion.

And they wonder why we resist their imperfect idol.
hellooo - apparently, this was posted three times on my blog - that's what happens when i do these things at 3am - Koios left a remark on one of three, and i am printing it - and my reply - here

Koios:

Amazingly enough, I'm not really surprised by this type of amendment. Christianity is exclusive by nature, and the U.S. is about 73% Christian. I suppose the person drafting this amendment feels that he or she is only doing his or her religious duty.

I agree with the article: not many people know much about Islam. If anyone is looking for an easy read about the history and evolution of Islam, I would highly recommend "No god but God" by Reza Aslan. It is a very good book.

paikea:

hey Koios - yup Christianity is exclusive by nature - but, really, in order to really believe in any religion, you've got to think that your religion is the true way to "truth" or whatever - otherwise, why would you bother with it

i don't believe most people, yes, even most of the 73% of Christians in the United States would react in such a way - this "amendment"/petition, goes way beyond simply believing your religion is THE ONE or carrying out what one feels is one's religious duty - this goes beyond the norms in a Democratic society - this is something else, entirely - and it's not good

i've heard of the book you mention - i'll have to look it up:) - thank you









thanks, fatcat:)
thanks for reading, gummi:)
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I wish they would look at themselves in the mirror and if they took an honest look they would see they have become the very thing they claim to be fighting against.

Anyway I am done with these people. These people are driving me totally and utterly insane.

I know they think they are right and we are wrong and they are entitled to their own opinion, but I said it on a post and I shall say it again, they are part of the problem and not the solution.
well, having a "Tolerance Day" would mean that people would actually have to try to tolerate each other - and for some people, even one day is clearly too much for them

i do agree, though - i wouldn't mind having a "World Tolerance Day"
very good points, CtianX - yes, they are certainly part of the problem more than part of the solution - that's for sure

I believe is discourse and discussion....the exchange of ideas. You tell what you think, what moves you, what makes you question, and I tell you the same...chances are we will all have more similarities than differences.

absolutely, LBeeeze - of course we would find that we all have similarities - and we can only do that through dialogue - not banning, or bombing
Yes but it seems that the people signing the petition don't believe there can be effective dialogue with most Muslims, at this point in time they believe only a major show of force is the answer. May be I am naive, but I find that difficult to believe.

This type of behavior to me seems to just be another barrier to dialogue, just another means to disenfranchise the everyday Muslim who just wants to live a happy life, like the rest of us.

Trying to ban anything only causes people to pay more attention to it....I'm sure the rap CDs with the warnings get played a lot more often than the G rated stuff...it's only human nature, but people never learn.

Thankfully, this proposal will remain just that - a proposal. It would not happen in the United States that we ban a major world religion - it would be a flagrant violation of the establishment clause.

A certain segment of American Christians has gotten into their head that they can run this country and everyone's lives in it how they please simply by amending the Constitution to make their religious views the law of the land. It's sad and disturbing from both a religious and a political standpoint.

It results in both a religion and a politic that feed their respective needs for power by picking on small and unpopular groups. The combination movement that results becomes a profound example of greed, arrogance, and hate.
"...people never learn.

no, they don't, LBeeeze:(
hey Sheri :) - well, yes, it is just a stupid petition on a site - and i really want to believe this kind of stuff won't even happen in reality - the US did put all the Japanese-Americans in camps during WWII - so, this kind of thing has happened (they are calling this a war, despite the fact that it's an occupation) - i know, that was not about religion (and neither is this, really - except for the nutters) - i hope we learned from that and would never repeat it
This is disgraceful behaviour. It is a shame some of these people don't take the time and get to know Muslims in their own country, I am sure they would be pleasantly surprised. As you know my recent post on the "Unheard Voices of Islam" highlights what a difference it makes to get to know people.

Luckily something like this will not get very far off the ground in the US, but nevertheless actions such as these should be condemned.
...nevertheless actions such as these should be condemned.

yes, yes, and yes!
not to mention Guantanamo...
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Amazes me how atheists seem to be the most moral people on Earth a lot of the time. Why must religion turn people into the very opposite of what religion is supposed to be about? Gah. Righteous post, paikea.
Hey Kirk -

thanks :) - now, could you do me a favor and go tell my mom that being atheist doesn't mean that i am devoid of all "morality" - never really like that word - i find that people who use it to exhaustion rarely practice their concept of it themselves

Why must religion turn people into the very opposite of what religion is supposed to be about?

you may have asked this question rhetorically, but i'd like to address it anyways Koios said above, religion is exclusive at the heart - i think it must breed a certain contempt for other faiths (in degrees) - i mean, why do people follow/or stay (with) a specific faith? - deep down, people must believe theirs the best one, or they'd be trading religions whenever they feel like it - perhaps not all, but definitely the majority - and when a subset of these people are racist, bigoted, prejudiced, etc.already, they hide behind their religion to justify such thinking - the problem is, that because books they see as "Holy", like the Bible or the Torah or the Koran, are open to interpretation ( and especially, available for picking and choosing), they can - and of course, the amendment/"petition" is one result of all these factors

so many things divide - but equally as many things can bring people together - i wish people wouldn't find so many excuses to divide







"...now, could you do me a favor and go tell my mom that being atheist doesn't mean that i am devoid of all 'morality'..."

I guess it would be asking too much to get her to read Nietzsche, huh? ;)

"...you may have asked this question rhetorically, but i'd like to address it anyways Koios said above, religion is exclusive at the heart - i think it must breed a certain contempt for other faiths..."

Yeah, it was rhetorical, but discussion is always good. :)

I said something similar in a comment at my own VOX today. I also believe a lot of the problem Christians have with Evolution is that most Evolutionists are atheists, simple as that. It's very sad.

Actually I shall be condemning these actions at the very place this needs to be condemned. I know it will be a waste of time, but if I remain silent some may assume I agree and I do NOT.

It will be interesting to see if I am allowed to leave my condemnation.
Yeesh! Thanks for letting me know about this. People are such idiots and there's way too much intolerance in this world nowadays. Haha, as my last sentence is a contradiction in itself. You know what I mean though. And I'd rephrase it, but I'm too tired to do that right now, lol
I too shall be leaving my condemnation, although I am blocked from doing so at one of these blogs, I shall still do so on the other blogs promoting this intolerance.

The good news is they only have a bit under 50 signatures so far. Given the population of this country, I would say that is an excellent sign.

Excellent accompaning article by the way, thanks for posting it.
Sorry paikea I got a bit confused, part of my last comment was meant for you.

Great post - thank you.
Miss P! :) The Right don't have discussions, they make unassailable pronouncements. Simply by dint of thinking it they are magically correct. They give God his orders. It's His job to fall into line. Okay, so they stole a presidency. The non-voters allowed it. In recent weeks I've seen three laughable (vox) examples of the Right at work. The first, as you know, was a load of unsupported tripe that was easy to pick apart. The next was a wacko calling himself a moderate and the third was a post purportedly from a senior military officer who basically gave the American military all the credit for everything, everywhere, ever. The way he told it, no other country (or ally) ever lost a soldier in battle; it was all America. Oh, okay. I'll just write to the historians here and ask them to revise the 100,000 deaths of Australian soldiers in all wars. Apparently, they didn't happen. That's a comfort. Less comforting is to find out from these impeccable sources that the seven members of my family who died in wars were actually Americans and not, as I'd previously suspected, Australians.

The rise of the Internet was always going to be a great platform for the nutcases because, let's face it, no one else will listen unless they're chained in such a way as to make gnawing through their leg and escaping the chains impossible. It's not helped along by silly comments from others expounding views that are plain nuts, such as the American president being the leader of the free world. What rubbish! He or she is the leader of America but that's the limit of it. Verifiable facts bear this out. My personal favourite is the one where everyone is jealous of America. That's always good for a laugh.

So a small bunch of boneheads want to make an amendment outlawing Islam. Yep, that's going to happen. And while they're at it they might make it clear that defending America against all foes, foreign and domestic, means the real moderates and the Left are going to get a workout, too. Implementing those will turn America into the second-largest concentration camp in history after China and will leave a population of, at a guess, around 30 million real (read: far right-wing) Americans, each of whom will have to guard and or kill an average of nine people as well as run a country, produce food, power, build, etc. They won't have to worry about education. They've managed to get this far without any. :)

Ultimately, they'll all live in caves, forget how to make fire, and console themselves with the chant "We made America great!"
You're funny Borg - I like you!
Thanks, Michael. I think I come a distant second at stand-up comedy when you factor in the efforts of the Right. :) And on that note ...

Folks, let's all get some perspective on the Right. They're just a bunch of naughty kids who will, if allowed, do predictably naughty things. Personally, I blame the inventor of red juice concentrates and sugar-baked cookies. The minute we turn our collective back they're into them and then they go bouncing off the walls for an hour or until they run out of words ( a remarkably shorter time period) before they fall asleep at their gun-imaged screen saver and drool all over the keyboard. Yes, they 'waterboard' their keyboards.

Here's an elegant solution to the education-resistant strain of humanity that is the Right. Round 'em up, I say! Put them all in one place and ask them to discuss the problem of "What to do with the non-white, non-Right". They'll play nicely, waterboarding each other with passionate if somewhat odoriferous spittle, for a minute. Then the disagreements will begin. Sooner or later the smoke will clear and that will be the end of the Far Right. Then we can take their guns from their cold, dead hands and the world can get on with the important affairs of the 90% of humanity who are not political boneheads.

And look, the Righties are always starting petitions which are going to 'save' the world (America). If only they could find that elusive 51st signature. 50 signatures represents one vote from each state, so that's America covered with an obvious majority. It's the vital 51st that shows the world agrees. The Right are the poor, misunderstood and caricatured 'intelligentsia'; they even give God His orders and He'd do 'em, too, just like He did with all the non-ticket holders for Noah's Ark, and Sodom, and Gomorrah, and the Tribe of Ham and anyone else who isn't a far-right American, just like God made us to be.

The Right are like Huckleberry Finn with a chip and ammo. Oh, and red juice concentrate and sugar-baked cookies. They rely on the apathy of people to not cast a vote, knowing that if they weren't the Right would be obliterated from the political landscape, just as they have been from polite and informed society. They're the modern equivalent of the loony family member we hid in the basement, but others can still hear their muffled rantings as they sit in a corner, rocking and drooling, and doing unspeakable things to themselves. [Did anyone get a visual on that? :) ]

Point out an undeniable fact that contradicts their assertion and watch them foam. It's like seeing a snail crawl over salt.

My advice, for whatever minuscule amount it's worth, is to make an informed vote. In doing so America will give the Right the political annihilation it so richly deserves, and will substantially lessen the likelihood of retaliatory military and or paramilitary acts on American soil.

Oh, and hide the red juice concentrate and sugar-baked cookies. That should stop at least a few of them campaigning for the return of Joe McCarthy. ;)