Proposed Constitutional Amendment to Ban Christianity & Judaism & Islam & Buddhism & Hinduism...
hmmm
do i have your attention?
which of the above did i just read right here on a VOXblog?
three guesses
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if you guessed Islam, you would be correct
yes, folks, i was perusing VOX the other day and found this blog headline:
"Proposed Constitutional Amendment Against Islam"
was i curious?
is the Pope...oh, never mind
needless to say, i read the thing and found myself utterly appalled
some moron has "drafted" an "amendment"/petition to ban the practice of Islam from the US
it's not going to happen or anything - it's just some stupid thing on one of those petition sites - but the whole idea of it is really disgusting
i won't bore you with the details - or sicken you - i felt physically ill while reading the "amendment"
look - we need PEACE on this earth - as long as people like these are contributing to the spread of this kind of hate speech, we're not going to achieve that peace
they can go on and on about how this religion or that religion is crap - and how THEIR religion is the BEST EVER, but NONE of it will lead to any kind of understanding between religious cultures and peoples
here's the thing...
i follow none of the religions above
as a matter of a fact, for those of you who don't already know, i'm quite happily atheist, or "godless", or an "unbeliever" or whatever hole you want to pigeon me in
judge me if you must...
but, i believe in Freedom of Religion (which yes, includes my right NOT to be religious)
even suggesting something like this goes against EVERYTHING i believe that America stands for
(regardless of the fact that a number of these ideals are being compromised as we speak)
is this even a sane thing to propose?
no
it's sane if you want to punish the entire Muslim population of the United States for actions they had nothing to do with
it's sane if you want to alienate a lot of the planet - and much of the US
it's sane if you want the rest of the world to think the US is full of horrible, bigoted imbeciles
it's sane if you want to engender fear, hatred and prejudice on all sides
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?
Enough is Enough!
Get a Grip!
YOU are not the only ones on THIS EARTH!
YOU do not get to say which RELIGION people can follow!
YOU are obviously dangerous fanatics!
YOU are clearly insane!
and that's my rant for today
thank you
p.s. the op-ed below, is a fitting end to this post
From the Los Angeles Times
Muslim true/false
April 2, 2008
Winning hearts and minds -- the Bush administration, foreign policy wonks, even the U.S. military agree that this is the key to any victory over global terrorism. Yet our public diplomacy program has made little progress on improving America's image. Few seem to recognize that American ignorance of Islam and Muslims has been the fatal flaw.
How much do Americans know about the views and beliefs of Muslims around the world? According to polls, not much. Perhaps not surprising, the majority of Americans (66%) admit to having at least some prejudice against Muslims; one in five say they have "a great deal" of prejudice. Almost half do not believe American Muslims are "loyal" to this country, and one in four do not want a Muslim as a neighbor.
Why should such anti-Muslim bias concern us? First, it undermines the war on terrorism: Situations are misdiagnosed, root causes are misidentified and bad prescriptions do more harm than good. Second, it makes our public diplomacy sound like double-talk. U.S. diplomats are trying to convince Muslims around the world that the United States respects them and that the war on terrorism is not out to destroy Islam. Their task is made infinitely more difficult by the frequent airing of anti-Muslim sentiment on right-wing call-in radio, which is then heard around the world on the Internet.
Finally, public ignorance weakens our democracy at election time. Instead of a well-informed citizenry choosing our representatives, we are rendered vulnerable to manipulative fear tactics. We need look no further than the political attacks on Barack Obama. Any implied connection to Islam -- attending a Muslim school in Indonesia, the middle name Hussein -- is wielded to suggest that he is unfit for the presidency and used as fuel for baseless rumors.
Anti-Muslim sentiment fuels misinformation, and is fueled by it -- misinformation that is squarely contradicted by evidence.
Starting in 2001, the research firm Gallup embarked on the largest, most comprehensive survey of its kind, spending more than six years polling a population that represented more than 90% of the world's 1.3 billion Muslims. The results showed plainly that much of the conventional wisdom about Muslims -- views touted by U.S. policymakers and pundits and accepted by voters -- is simply false.
For instance, Gallup found that 72% of Americans disagreed with this statement: "The majority of those living in Muslim countries thought men and women should have equal rights." In fact, majorities in even some of the most conservative Muslim societies directly refute this assessment: 73% of Saudis, 89% of Iranians and 94% of Indonesians say that men and women should have equal legal rights. Majorities of Muslim men and women in dozens of countries around the world also believe that a woman should have the right to work outside the home at any job for which she is qualified (88% in Indonesia, 72% in Egypt and even 78% in Saudi Arabia), and to vote without interference from family members (87% in Indonesia, 91% in Egypt, 98% in Lebanon).
What about Muslim sympathy for terrorism? Many charge that Islam encourages violence more than other faiths, but studies show that Muslims around the world are at least as likely as Americans to condemn attacks on civilians. Polls show that 6% of the American public thinks attacks in which civilians are targets are "completely justified." In Saudi Arabia, this figure is 4%. In Lebanon and Iran, it's 2%.
Moreover, it's politics, not piety, that drives the small minority -- just 7% -- of Muslims to anti-Americanism at the level of condoning the attacks of 9/11. Looking across majority-Muslim countries, Gallup found no statistical difference in self-reported religiosity between those who sympathized with the attackers and those who did not. When respondents in select countries were asked in an open-ended question to explain their views of 9/11, those who condemned it cited humanitarian as well as religious reasons. For example, 20% of Kuwaitis who called the attacks "completely unjustified" explained this position by saying that terrorism was against the teachings of Islam. A respondent in Indonesia went so far as to quote a direct verse from the Koran prohibiting killing innocents. On the other hand, not a single respondent who condoned the attacks used the Koran as justification. Instead, they relied on political rationalizations, calling the U.S. an imperialist power or accusing it of wanting to control the world.
If most Muslims truly reject terrorism, why does it continue to flourish in Muslim lands? What these results indicate is that terrorism is much like other violent crime. Violent crimes occur throughout U.S. cities, but that is no indication of Americans' general acceptance of murder or assault. Likewise, continued terrorist violence is not proof that Muslims tolerate it. Indeed, they are its primary victims.
Still, the typical American cannot be blamed for these misperceptions. Media-content analyses show that the majority of U.S. TV news coverage of Islam is sharply negative. Americans are bombarded every day with news stories about Muslims and majority-Muslim countries in which vocal extremists, not evidence, drive perceptions.
Rather than allow extremists on either side to dictate how we discuss Islam and the West, we need to listen carefully to the voices of ordinary people. Our victory in the war on terrorism depends on it.
John L. Esposito is an Islamic studies professor at Georgetown University. Dalia Mogahed is executive director of the Center for Muslim Studies at Gallup. They co-wrote "Who Speaks for Islam? What a Billion Muslims Really Think."
Comments
i pressed the button on your name in the mass thing before i could stop myself - i know you're ridiculously busy - but, thanks for reading:)
yeah - this would fall under the category of "Things I Would be Afraid Of Happening" - i didn't do too much more investigating - its some idiotic thing somebody put on one of those petition websites, i think - i think it has like 30-something signatures - so, that's at least laughable - reading it made me nauseous enough, but i'll probably look more into it out of further curiosity - and because i seem to like torturing myself with knowing that there are some really despicable, small-minded people in this world - and sometimes, what they're doing in "my name" deserves to be put in a spotlight, however small
good post! *thumbs up*
Some of these thoughtless folk seem to think us non-believers are a threat to their invisible friend but really it's their intolerance of others that puts the most pressure on their religion.
And they wonder why we resist their imperfect idol.
Koios:
Amazingly enough, I'm not really surprised by this type of amendment. Christianity is exclusive by nature, and the U.S. is about 73% Christian. I suppose the person drafting this amendment feels that he or she is only doing his or her religious duty.
I agree with the article: not many people know much about Islam. If anyone is looking for an easy read about the history and evolution of Islam, I would highly recommend "No god but God" by Reza Aslan. It is a very good book.
paikea:
hey Koios - yup Christianity is exclusive by nature - but, really, in order to really believe in any religion, you've got to think that your religion is the true way to "truth" or whatever - otherwise, why would you bother with it
i don't believe most people, yes, even most of the 73% of Christians in the United States would react in such a way - this "amendment"/petition, goes way beyond simply believing your religion is THE ONE or carrying out what one feels is one's religious duty - this goes beyond the norms in a Democratic society - this is something else, entirely - and it's not good
i've heard of the book you mention - i'll have to look it up:) - thank youAnyway I am done with these people. These people are driving me totally and utterly insane.
I know they think they are right and we are wrong and they are entitled to their own opinion, but I said it on a post and I shall say it again, they are part of the problem and not the solution.
i do agree, though - i wouldn't mind having a "World Tolerance Day"
I believe is discourse and discussion....the exchange of ideas. You tell what you think, what moves you, what makes you question, and I tell you the same...chances are we will all have more similarities than differences.
This type of behavior to me seems to just be another barrier to dialogue, just another means to disenfranchise the everyday Muslim who just wants to live a happy life, like the rest of us.
Trying to ban anything only causes people to pay more attention to it....I'm sure the rap CDs with the warnings get played a lot more often than the G rated stuff...it's only human nature, but people never learn.
A certain segment of American Christians has gotten into their head that they can run this country and everyone's lives in it how they please simply by amending the Constitution to make their religious views the law of the land. It's sad and disturbing from both a religious and a political standpoint.
It results in both a religion and a politic that feed their respective needs for power by picking on small and unpopular groups. The combination movement that results becomes a profound example of greed, arrogance, and hate.
no, they don't, LBeeeze:(
Luckily something like this will not get very far off the ground in the US, but nevertheless actions such as these should be condemned.
yes, yes, and yes!
thanks :) - now, could you do me a favor and go tell my mom that being atheist doesn't mean that i am devoid of all "morality" - never really like that word - i find that people who use it to exhaustion rarely practice their concept of it themselves
Why must religion turn people into the very opposite of what religion is supposed to be about?
you may have asked this question rhetorically, but i'd like to address it anyways Koios said above, religion is exclusive at the heart - i think it must breed a certain contempt for other faiths (in degrees) - i mean, why do people follow/or stay (with) a specific faith? - deep down, people must believe theirs the best one, or they'd be trading religions whenever they feel like it - perhaps not all, but definitely the majority - and when a subset of these people are racist, bigoted, prejudiced, etc.already, they hide behind their religion to justify such thinking - the problem is, that because books they see as "Holy", like the Bible or the Torah or the Koran, are open to interpretation ( and especially, available for picking and choosing), they can - and of course, the amendment/"petition" is one result of all these factors
so many things divide - but equally as many things can bring people together - i wish people wouldn't find so many excuses to divide
I guess it would be asking too much to get her to read Nietzsche, huh? ;)
Yeah, it was rhetorical, but discussion is always good. :)
I said something similar in a comment at my own VOX today. I also believe a lot of the problem Christians have with Evolution is that most Evolutionists are atheists, simple as that. It's very sad.
It will be interesting to see if I am allowed to leave my condemnation.
The good news is they only have a bit under 50 signatures so far. Given the population of this country, I would say that is an excellent sign.
Excellent accompaning article by the way, thanks for posting it.
Great post - thank you.
The rise of the Internet was always going to be a great platform for the nutcases because, let's face it, no one else will listen unless they're chained in such a way as to make gnawing through their leg and escaping the chains impossible. It's not helped along by silly comments from others expounding views that are plain nuts, such as the American president being the leader of the free world. What rubbish! He or she is the leader of America but that's the limit of it. Verifiable facts bear this out. My personal favourite is the one where everyone is jealous of America. That's always good for a laugh.
So a small bunch of boneheads want to make an amendment outlawing Islam. Yep, that's going to happen. And while they're at it they might make it clear that defending America against all foes, foreign and domestic, means the real moderates and the Left are going to get a workout, too. Implementing those will turn America into the second-largest concentration camp in history after China and will leave a population of, at a guess, around 30 million real (read: far right-wing) Americans, each of whom will have to guard and or kill an average of nine people as well as run a country, produce food, power, build, etc. They won't have to worry about education. They've managed to get this far without any. :)
Ultimately, they'll all live in caves, forget how to make fire, and console themselves with the chant "We made America great!"
Folks, let's all get some perspective on the Right. They're just a bunch of naughty kids who will, if allowed, do predictably naughty things. Personally, I blame the inventor of red juice concentrates and sugar-baked cookies. The minute we turn our collective back they're into them and then they go bouncing off the walls for an hour or until they run out of words ( a remarkably shorter time period) before they fall asleep at their gun-imaged screen saver and drool all over the keyboard. Yes, they 'waterboard' their keyboards.
Here's an elegant solution to the education-resistant strain of humanity that is the Right. Round 'em up, I say! Put them all in one place and ask them to discuss the problem of "What to do with the non-white, non-Right". They'll play nicely, waterboarding each other with passionate if somewhat odoriferous spittle, for a minute. Then the disagreements will begin. Sooner or later the smoke will clear and that will be the end of the Far Right. Then we can take their guns from their cold, dead hands and the world can get on with the important affairs of the 90% of humanity who are not political boneheads.
And look, the Righties are always starting petitions which are going to 'save' the world (America). If only they could find that elusive 51st signature. 50 signatures represents one vote from each state, so that's America covered with an obvious majority. It's the vital 51st that shows the world agrees. The Right are the poor, misunderstood and caricatured 'intelligentsia'; they even give God His orders and He'd do 'em, too, just like He did with all the non-ticket holders for Noah's Ark, and Sodom, and Gomorrah, and the Tribe of Ham and anyone else who isn't a far-right American, just like God made us to be.
The Right are like Huckleberry Finn with a chip and ammo. Oh, and red juice concentrate and sugar-baked cookies. They rely on the apathy of people to not cast a vote, knowing that if they weren't the Right would be obliterated from the political landscape, just as they have been from polite and informed society. They're the modern equivalent of the loony family member we hid in the basement, but others can still hear their muffled rantings as they sit in a corner, rocking and drooling, and doing unspeakable things to themselves. [Did anyone get a visual on that? :) ]
Point out an undeniable fact that contradicts their assertion and watch them foam. It's like seeing a snail crawl over salt.
My advice, for whatever minuscule amount it's worth, is to make an informed vote. In doing so America will give the Right the political annihilation it so richly deserves, and will substantially lessen the likelihood of retaliatory military and or paramilitary acts on American soil.
Oh, and hide the red juice concentrate and sugar-baked cookies. That should stop at least a few of them campaigning for the return of Joe McCarthy. ;)