"We would have never expected him to do this. He was a regular churchgoer!" - Sound familiar?

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It seems that religious skeptics are more suspect by many people. That's why remarks like this are common. Obviously, false stereotyping is alive and well.
If more people lived the life they're taught in church (hopefully good stuff), we wouldn't have so many problems. Hypocrites
it just makes me mad when i read comments like this, Matthew25 - beyond being unfair and judgmental in a kind of backwards way to those of us who aren't religious, such comments are just plain idiotic
When I "came out" as an atheist in college, one of the first things that was said to me - by a co-worker at the time - was "But, you can't be an atheist. You're so moral."
lol! - i've gotten that - also - *gasp* "but where do you get your morals from then?"
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we never get passed the expectation that "bad" people will look "bad", and always act so surprised when they don't.

I have been wondering a lot lately, just how much longer is the USA going to tolerate the high gun violence - other countries that don't have guns have much much less violence. We can send our kids to school without fearing that they will be shot...

yeh - well, i don't know how much good stuff people are learning - my parents tried to go back to the CC, because my mom missed going to church, and there was so much RW political posturing at several of the churches they went to that they finally just gave up and only go on holidays anymore - also, i have an opinion that if Obama weren't paying attention to his brand of Christianity, he'd be for giving federal rights to gays for marriage (he's okay with civil unions, i think - but that's not good enough, in my book) - i don't know - i think if so many religions weren't teaching exclusive principles, we'd all be better off - but, that's so much wishful thinking as to be ridiculous

p.s. well, perhaps Obama figured he couldn't be elected if he was totally pro gay-marriage - and he probably was right - but it's not simply a marriage issue - it's a bloody civil rights issue!


i know , Flamingo Dancer - i've been hearing about each incident involving gun violence with more and more dread - and, more to the point, i wonder who is going to have to get killed in order for things to change - and i don't want to think like that, but i don't know how else everyone is finally going to sit up and say - maybe, we need to deal effectively with this RIGHT NOW - as far as i'm concerned, it's already too late - i don't understand how people just cave in to the gun lobby - the evidence is right in our faces all the time! - it's really disenheartening!
Politics sure get in the way of everything, don't they? I don't go to church, but I really wonder what happened to the whole be nice to everyone, follow the example of Jesus, and all that...
I agree with you. Religion never is a giveaway for morality/ethics. Never.
i know, Stephel - i think the Golden Rule (which can be traced back to India c.3000BC) should really encompass all - it's really very simple and can be applied to practically every situation
Absolutely, GB!
I'm not the slightest bit surprised when some religious fanatic goes off the deep end and goes postal.

Fundamentalist denominations teach members to rely on blind faith and to mistrust their powers of reason, as they believe it is faulty and subject to manipulation by Satan. I've seen training material that uses a train to illustrate their meaning. It shows faith as the engine, pulling reason and emotion behind it.

With such a mindset, I can see how a religious person who is mentally unstable could do something like this if they believed it a matter of faith.
i'm not the least bit surprised, either, Libertine - throwing away your ability to critically reason is par for the course for the fundies - it actually makes total sense when they go postal

training material - i imagine that's scary reading
Well, they don't call it "training material", they call it "Bible studies".
lol! - well, i did go to Sunday School/Bible Study for most of my youth, and i don't think it took - i think their mistake was making us take quizzes - i had a running competition with another person in my class - and all i cared about was getting the answers right to beat him down - i could have cared less about the content;)
I think so too. We'd all be much happier. Wonder why we have to make things so difficult?
Well it sounded like very reasonable reasoning to me. A church goer equates to a person being a saint - sounds completely logical to me.

After all those saintly priests could NEVER possibly have abused any children - why would they, they are men of the cloth. The Vatican would never protect men who were guilty of such crimes - would it?

Also it isn't like god would ever tell one of his flock to kill someone. God would always stop them just as they were about to chop their kid's head off, he would say, "Nah its all right I was just testing you! You can put the axe down now"

I can't tell you the number of times God has tested me like that, it is always such a relief when he tells me to put the axe down. I just hope he always tells me to stop with a loud booming voice, as it would be terrible if I didn't hear him tell me to stop. Not sure what I would then do with my beheaded child, possibly I would stuff him in a suitcase and hope God protects me.


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